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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Julius Х Saturday • 29-Jan-2005 • 11:26 am Х # 410-2040
Still a Commie
Stay with Communism, just keep the party leades from becoming Capitalists themselves.
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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Lord_Of_The_Sky Х Sunday • 30-Jul-2006 • 10:54 am Х # 410-2126
Communism
Communism is the "last known" system that will come. As every new system is better for the majority of the people,so I don't think why we should put an end to the strungle for this very best system.
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the Proletarist movement? Х Interesting ... I will think about this

Х redstar2000 Х Monday • 9-Aug-2004 • 7:58 am Х # 410-2003
In English?
In English-speaking countries, it would (should?) be called WORKERISM, right?

• reply • Monday • 27-Dec-2004 • 12:42 pm
by ben • I would think that we want a name that would be the same in all countries. --- 2 votes ---

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Х John Х Sunday • 15-Aug-2004 • 5:32 am Х # 410-2007
THE ROOT OF CRISIS OF THEORY
The crisis of theory has its roots in the Marxist view of working class people and its view of how social change takes place. Marxist regimes have been undemocratic not just in the Soviet Union. The problem lies not in the specifics of the Soviet experience, but in what Marxist regimes share in common --Marxist theory. The absence of free speech for the working class in Marxist regimes reflects the Marxist view that workers are not, SUBJECTIVELY, a positive force: they are a positive force only in an abstract historical ("species essence", dialectical materialist) sense; but in terms of their subjective aspirations, they are dehumanized by capitalism, motivated only by self-interest, lacking "class consciousness" etc. Marxist theory warns its practicioners not to allow workers as they are today to have real power and control their own organizations or free speech or power independent of the Marxist-controlled state. This is the root of the crisis of theory. The solution to the problem is to articulate a very different view of workers and social change from the Marxist one. The Marxist theory that social change is driven by impersonal laws of economics & class interest towards results that are independent of people's subjective aims is wrong. The Marxist theory that economic development is key and must precede the creation of egalitarian social relations is wrong. The Marxist theory that workers today are not subjectively a force for a classless and egalitarian society and that they need to be transformed into "Socialist Man" (to use Che's phrase) in the future is wrong. These strands of Marxist theory all lead very logically towards anti-democratic practice by Marxist regimes. There will be no solution to the crisis of theory until the Marxist theory which points u ... read more

• reply • Monday • 27-Dec-2004 • 12:20 pm
by ben • John (a self-identified expert) claims that "Marxist theory" supposedly "warns its practicioners not to allow workers as they are today to have real power and control their own organizations or free speech or power independent of the Marxist-controlled state".

John has identified some of the problems in "Marxist theory" as it is proclaimed and practiced by those who have turned Marxism into a religion.

This is why the revisionist interpretations of marxism must be swept away. As this happens, marxism (ie: real marxism, not the garbage that John claims to be marxism) will become known to countless millions. --- 2 votes ---

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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х Yes! -- This helps to make clear a decisive break with the treachery of "communist" leaders

Х Jack Malcolm Х Wednesday • 2-Feb-2005 • 6:37 pm Х # 410-2041
Bring the 18th century into the 21st
Communism itself is an ideal concept, however, Karl Marx allowed too much room for improvisation. With disturbing precedents set in the old world, the 21st Century sees Communism as a poor man's rant, something to disregard as defunct economics fad just as laizze-faire once was. Communism in the 21st century carries a heavier, darker and all around "evil" conotation to it. In the U.S., a fascist is far more likely to be socially accepted than a Communist, due to Josef Stalin and Mao Zedong, as you have pointed out. Communism works, its just the people behind it that don't. However, Socialism works (as you can see in the Scandinavian countries, and in certain aspects of Japan, France and so forth) and as we (should) all know, Communism is the final stage of Socialism. However, the Fascists (the far-right wingers) have gained more credibility with their agenda. They control the United States and it's spheres of influence, but how? Fascism was firmly discredited after World War II for everything that it embodied and was. Yet, the United States supported the Fascist regimes in Argentina under Juan Peron and Fransico Franco in Spain. The United States has used the C.I.A. to install fascist puppet governments in Latin and South American countries on several occassions. But how did the Fascists go from Notoriety to mainstream in such a short time? Simple, they changed their By using double-speak and the G.O.D. word, the fascist have lured the less fortunate, less educated and the powerless into their realm. They've militantly built a well-greased political self-sufficient hate machine that only grows stronger and angrier as it moves further to the right. The Fascists used the proletarian chant, ideals and theory of the 20's and 30's; carefully removing the original l ... read more
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Х Alan Michaels Х Sunday • 13-Feb-2005 • 9:47 am Х # 410-2044
You're addressing an important issue eloquently, but...
...you're oversimplifying the issues at hand. Your critique of the various 20th century incarnations and subversions of "worker's" movements is apt, but this absolutely must be viewed within the modern context such movements and subversions have helped to create. Suggesting changing the name of real left movements probably seems trivial to some, but I also see it a deadly importance in it. Browsing through other comments on this piece, I noted that others have done a fine job of pointing out how "communisim" has been made into a dirty word. We all know this, we just hate accepting the ramifications of that. Historical moments such as McCarthyism and the internal treacheries of worker's movements that you identify so well have weighed on the cultural consciousness of that little word, "communisim," that by the begining of the 21st century it takes a heavy intelectual effort to break the word free of the foolhardy and "evil" conotations that it has been given. Sad, but true. Communisim, socialism, and anything too strongly associated with them will be automatically disregarded by your average person - the very persons a true left movement needs and desires. History has proven time and again that the attractiveness of an idea has far more to do with its spread than its validity, and therefore the question of what name should represent the valid ideas we are talking about here isn't about how to present it directly or even most "honestly." It's about how to make it the most attractive.

With that in mind, a "proletarist" movement loses its luster. It's the sort of name that preaches to the choir, rallying the already dwinidling group of socialist converts while providing only a difficult new invitation to those outside the movement, those the movement needs, who s ... read more
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Х dpg Х Monday • 21-Mar-2005 • 3:26 am Х # 410-2051
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Х Question: will communism ever exist in its true marxist form?
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Х Х Tuesday • 13-Sep-2005 • 8:45 am Х # 410-2082

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comment Х Jeremy Х Thursday • 5-May-2005 • 11:04 pm Х # 410-2060
Does anyone even know what Capitalism is?
I see a lot of people here talkinga about how communism is misunderstood by the masses, but then you all misunderstand what capitalism is. Capitalism is the complete severing of the State from the Economy with the economy being nothing more than people freely and voluntarily trading gooods and services with each other. It is not imperialism (which requires government intervention in the economy) or restrictions on international trade with countries like Cuba (yes, trade embargoes against even countries like Cuba are still against Capitalism). Capitalism is where everyone has individual rights: Life, Liberty, and Property, with the government merely acting as umpire or referee to prevent the violent taking of or coercion of one's life, libery, and property (labor itself being the most basic component of one's property, which is why the Institution of Slavery in the U.S. was anti-Capitalist). The United States itself isn't a Capitalist Society, nor are most Countries of the World. Most Countries of the World are Mixed Economies, applying some free measures with some government intervention. The only societies that can probably be considered Capitalist are Hong Kong and Switzerland (and even they have tiny controls). Before you talk about how communism has been misunderstood, educate yourself about capitalism instead.
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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Red Х Wednesday • 5-Jan-2005 • 2:59 pm Х # 410-2029
Difficult to Explain
I'm not exactly sure why I must disagree with the renaming of the movement, but I will most certainly do my best to accomplish this. Proletarist is an awkward word, in my opinion. It doesn't simply roll off the tongue. While this may seem petty, it is a problem. It seems as if the use of it in common context is discourage because of this and that is a problem. Communism, on the other hand, is a very simple word that leads to so much more. Now, proletarism has no history and, to most people, no set meaning. While it may help to overcome the crisis of theory, no one will understand what your talking about, so you'll end up facing the same challenges regardless. Communism, you'll have to explain what it truly is (and many know this) and Proletarism, you'll have to explain what it is period (inevitably drawing from communism, which will get you back to the crisis of theory anyway). Isn't it just easier to say "We are the Communist movement and this is what we believe must be done!" And, on the chart showing the many degenerated communist movements, I wouldn't have included Trotskyism. Stalinism, most definately, but Leon Trotsky (while he was partially responsible for Kronstandt) held a decent theory, from the perspective of a Leninist (I myself am a Marxist and do not identify with other movements directly). Well, that is my opinion. Just remember, for better or worse, communism has a history and a meaning. Many know what it truly means. We shouldn't change it.
Х Question: Is changing the name of a deeply rooted movement really very wise?
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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х Matt Х Sunday • 11-Dec-2005 • 3:33 pm Х # 410-2093
Go Communism
Communism is Freedom
Х Question: Why aren't we running for U.S. offices?
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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We can gradually reform away the abuses of capitalism

Х LEE Х Thursday • 30-Mar-2006 • 8:43 am Х # 410-2109
CAEA
i belive in true communism mraxism KARL MARX- the true farther of communism. true stages of Civilization advancement goes like this PRIMITVE COMMUNISM ---] FEUDALISM ---] CRAPY CAPITALISM --] SOCIALISM ---] COMMUNISM!!!!! THERE NEEDS TO BE A PEACEFUL REVOLT OF ALL THE WORKERS IF WE USE FORCE IT WILL NOT WORK. WE MUST STRIKE IT IS THE ONLY WAY COMMUNISM WILL STAY BECAUSE IF PEOPLE REVOLT IN A VIOLENT WAY THE SOCIETY WILL NO NOTHING BUT VIOLENCE
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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Jeff Х Sunday • 13-Nov-2005 • 7:42 pm Х # 410-2091
stick with the word "communism" but not the police state
i'm an ultra-left communist (taking insights from both the italian left and people like amadeo bordiga, and the german-dutch councilist left and people like herman gorter and anton pannekoek). Anyway, i think communism is the best word because it is the original word Marx used when describing the future society IN WHICH THERE WOULD NOT BE A PROLETARIAT AT ALL--THERE WOULD BE NO CLASSES--THE PROLETARIAT WOULD ABOLISH ITSELF (see the Holy Family and German Ideology for clearer descriptions of this) BY DESTROYING CAPITALIST PRODUCTION RELATIONS. Therefore, I think the term "proletarism" is not suitable for proletarians who wish to abolish their own conditions of existence so that there can be neither proletarian or bourgeoisie (or state, for that matter), but only the social individual--the communist man. I agree with some of your critique of the stalinist debacle known as the USSR, but i have some critiques of lenin himself. anyway, that's all.
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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х Aaron Х Wednesday • 24-May-2006 • 11:39 am Х # 410-2117
Anarchy
Anarchy accomplishes nothing but IT KICKS ASS!
Х Question: why do we use communism
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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We can gradually reform away the abuses of capitalism

Х Frugal Х Tuesday • 24-Jan-2006 • 6:48 am Х # 410-2101
Frugal's comment
This gives me the feeling that however high Communism may reach, there will always be some form of terror and viloence in the political party. It should be that communism should go back to Leninism and thus believe that everyone deserves euqal rights, however this is just th eone opinion of a schoolchild who should currently be working...
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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Kat Х Sunday • 4-Jun-2006 • 8:48 am Х # 410-2119
Why change?
If we do our best to inform people about what communism really is, there will be no problems about it!
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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Х Wednesday • 1-Mar-2006 • 5:24 am Х # 410-2104

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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Pedro Х Tuesday • 5-Dec-2006 • 4:46 pm Х # 410-2134
Communism
If we fight for communism... why should we call ourselves proletarists? A communist society is a classless society... it is NOT a proletarian society.
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the Proletarist movement? Х Interesting ... I will think about this

Х Ken Х Sunday • 14-Nov-2004 • 11:29 pm Х # 410-2012

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Х German Х Friday • 3-Dec-2004 • 1:49 am Х # 410-2016
Glory for the revolution!
The revolution must start. the capitalists are everywhere. We must strike them down once and for all!
Х Question: How will we do this? What weapons can we be supplied?

• reply • Monday • 27-Dec-2004 • 11:30 am
by ben • Hi there G,

The main weapon at this time is our consciousness.

I am not sure if your comment is sarcastic or if you are simply somewhat young and inexperienced in revolutionary politics.

Revolutionary activists must focus on those tasks which are truly decisive. Maybe in Iraq and certain other countries these decisive tasks may include (but would certainly not be limited to) making use of guns for self-defense or against occupying armies.

However in the countries of bourgeois democracy (ie: the U.S., Europe, Japan and other parts of the world where activists have the right to openly organize and spread their views) the decisive tasks are primarily legal. In these countries the only kinds of illegal activity that are usually necessary usually involve tactical questions at mass actions (ie: strikers at a picket line or activists in a demonstration will sometimes engage in mass defiance of the orders of the police, etc).

If you are interested my views on some of the decisive tasks for activists today -- check out the Media Weapon community web site at MediaWeapon.com and click on the link for "projects". --- 1 votes ---

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Х armydent Х Wednesday • 26-Jan-2005 • 6:37 am Х # 410-2035

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Х Zingu Х Tuesday • 14-Dec-2004 • 9:38 pm Х # 410-2022
I've been looking of a label to state my Communist views, I think 'Proletarianism" is what I exactly was looking for
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Х rowan Х Tuesday • 21-Dec-2004 • 7:38 am Х # 410-2026
hilo
We should not unite with the evils of past communist leaders
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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Michael Х Thursday • 27-Jan-2005 • 5:53 pm Х # 410-2038
Traditional Communism
Long live the revolutionary prolateriet!
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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Maoism

Х Х Sunday • 1-May-2005 • 10:17 pm Х # 410-2057

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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Guilherme Х Saturday • 14-May-2005 • 7:22 am Х # 410-2063

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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Х Sunday • 11-Sep-2005 • 9:38 pm Х # 410-2081

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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Х Monday • 9-May-2005 • 7:15 am Х # 410-2062

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comment Х Mihai Х Sunday • 2-Oct-2005 • 4:01 pm Х # 410-2084
"The Fundamental' Principles Doctrine" must stay behind the changes of our times.
This doctrine is already acting in the today world but, who care? It is based on three universal physic-laws as per follows: 1. The neutral universal physic law "Action=Reaction=1" (but not only his newtonian dimenssion but also the quantum one/thought domaine); 2. The universal physic law of the absolute unity of the Universe; 3. The universal physic law of the self creation of the own reality; This three omipotent universal law must be the supreme theoretical advantage of a new mouvement of the progressist political forces all over the world.
Х Question: I have no questions, it is to late for that. I have only convinctions.
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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х Imre Х Sunday • 14-Aug-2005 • 6:01 pm Х # 410-2078

Communism failed under the tyranny of government. Anarchy is the only true means of restoring power to the people.
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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Trotskyism

Х Michael Х Thursday • 7-Jul-2005 • 1:59 pm Х # 410-2073
Trotskyism is the Only Genuine Marxism
Trotsky was the only one to follow Marx, Engels and Lenin in advocating International Revolution whereas people like Stalin, Mao, Khrushchev, Kim Il-sung and and Enver Hoxha advocated "Socialism in One Country". Trotsky like Marx, Engels and Lenin was opposed to harshly suppressing dissedence which people like Stalin were for.
Х Question: Does Fidel Castro believe in "Socialism in One Country" or "Permanent Revolution".
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Х anouche Х Friday • 11-Nov-2005 • 5:20 am Х # 410-2090
Chain of capitalism broken from its weakest section
Since it was the only and easy choice for Lenin,hoping the embrio of socialism would survive.The positive effect of socialism in former USSR was many,among those peaceful coexistance of many nations and nationalitis within USSR.Theoretical achievment was Socialism would be effective even in third world countries,in other word not necessarily mankind must pass through agonies of slavory.feodalism and capitalism.However the real cause is advancement of production technology hence private ownerships of,which generates social classes; due to lack of mankinds cognition which is the cause of centries of war for mankind until present time.
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Х kurt Х Thursday • 10-Nov-2005 • 3:02 pm Х # 410-2088
Yes.
I am inclined to agree with a break in the traditional term 'communism'. The word communism quite frankily is too often equated with the stinking corpse of leninism. I feel it is necessacary to create a new name, and put the overthrow of the capitalist class back on the agenda.
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Х Chaovan Х Wednesday • 1-Feb-2006 • 3:49 pm Х # 410-2102

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Х VST Х Tuesday • 24-Jan-2006 • 2:38 am Х # 410-2100
Why Name? What Name?
Before we give a name for this movement, we must study the reaction to any proposed name. And also important study the possibility of abuse or diversion that can be planned by distruptive forces.
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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We can gradually reform away the abuses of capitalism

Х Ashley Х Wednesday • 8-Mar-2006 • 8:15 am Х # 410-2107
whatever
you should be ashamed capitolism is working now and always will work.
Х Question: what is your problem?
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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х schnitzelmacken Х Monday • 2-Jan-2006 • 7:16 am Х # 410-2095
geez
well communism is a good idea just not on a national scale. the curruption takes over and the lower classes get ---bleep--- on.
Х Question: how do you prevent curruption in a communist government when it is on a national scale?
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Х Commie Х Tuesday • 26-Apr-2005 • 12:22 pm Х # 410-2056
The word is ours.
Communists should never, ever allow themselves to be chased from the word "communism" by communism's enemies. However, as a description of goals, this is excellent.
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Х deleted Х Sunday • 4-Jun-2006 • 2:56 pm Х # 410-2120
When one is deleted, all are deleted
When the deleters are eliminated, then a Utopian state can be acheived! As long as deletions are allowed to occur, the despots and bourgeois will keep the classes suppressed, will keep their hob-nails deeply planted in our skins! End ACT score deletion, and end it now! End the oppression that we've unknowingly lived under for generations, end the slavery that we live within without even knowing it! When the workers can travel about without the fear of constant deletion and the abuse that accompanies it, then Utopia is neared! Kamerad, do your part to end deletion now!
Х Question: When will deletion end?
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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should place our faith in third-world dictators

Х Graeme Х Tuesday • 16-May-2006 • 1:54 am Х # 410-2116
Commies Rule
GO COMMUNISM!!!
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Х Question: do communists believe in God?
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Х Akseli Х Wednesday • 1-Mar-2006 • 12:52 pm Х # 410-2105
You're right on target
You talk exactly of what a comrade and I are thinking about. The workers' movement must completely seperate itself from the "left" to be effectively put back on track.
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Х webb Х Thursday • 2-Mar-2006 • 11:47 am Х # 410-2106
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Х Х Sunday • 16-Jul-2006 • 5:42 pm Х # 410-2125

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Х Х Friday • 7-Jul-2006 • 3:22 pm Х # 410-2124

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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Brasswire Х Wednesday • 4-Apr-2007 • 8:18 pm Х # 410-2142
Why another treachery ?
Yes, the word "communism" has been often betrayed. But it is even more important that it does not die and lose its meaning more and more, so we have to proudly continue to use it in its right sense.
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