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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 5-May-2016 • 11:40 am # 160-9044
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It is a shame that Rees di12& #8nd7;t have the option of bringing in some talent from outside of parliament in the same way that Obama does. NSW, Qld etc. badly need people in cabinet that can actually make things happen in key problem areas such as health and education.
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 10-Dec-2015 • 11:17 pm # 160-9043
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insightful? Yes
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comment on essay 160 Wednesday • 21-Oct-2015 • 2:43 am # 160-9042
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bullshit or brilliant? other
relevant? not sure
insightful? not sure
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comment on essay 160 Wednesday • 21-Oct-2015 • 2:20 am # 160-9041
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bullshit or brilliant? Not sure--will think about this
relevant? other
insightful? No
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comment on essay 160 Wednesday • 21-Oct-2015 • 12:45 am # 160-9040
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bullshit or brilliant? Really cool !!
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insightful? other
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comment on essay 160 Wednesday • 21-Oct-2015 • 12:45 am # 160-9039
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bullshit or brilliant? Really cool !!
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insightful? other
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 16-Oct-2014 • 10:20 am # 160-9038
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bullshit or brilliant? other
relevant? other
insightful? No
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comment on essay 160 Monday • 26-Nov-2012 • 12:22 pm # 160-9037
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relevant? not sure
insightful? not sure
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comment on essay 160 Monday • 26-Nov-2012 • 12:21 pm # 160-9036
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insightful? not sure
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I'm quite pleased with the inrfoamtoin in this one. TY!
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comment on essay 160 Monday • 26-Nov-2012 • 12:20 pm # 160-9035
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I'm quite pleased with the inrfoamtoin in this one. TY!
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comment on essay 160 Tuesday • 22-Nov-2011 • 1:23 pm # 160-9034
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bullshit or brilliant? Useful, but maybe a few problems
relevant? No
insightful? not sure
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comment on essay 160 Monday • 19-Apr-2010 • 1:36 pm # 160-9033
poll response:
bullshit or brilliant? Useful, but maybe a few problems
relevant? Yes
insightful? No
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 22-Oct-2009 • 10:24 am # 160-9032
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bullshit or brilliant? Total bullshit
relevant? not sure
insightful? Yes
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 22-Oct-2009 • 10:23 am # 160-9031
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bullshit or brilliant? Total bullshit
relevant? not sure
insightful? Yes
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 17-Apr-2008 • 2:40 am # 160-9030
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bullshit or brilliant? Really cool !!
relevant? Yes
insightful? No
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 17-Apr-2008 • 2:37 am # 160-9028
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insightful? No
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comment on essay 160 Tuesday • 4-Sep-2007 • 3:25 am # 160-9027
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comment on essay 160 Tuesday • 6-Jun-2006 • 2:34 pm # 160-9026
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bullshit or brilliant? Really cool !!
relevant? Yes
insightful? Yes

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comment on essay 160 Wednesday • 14-Dec-2005 • 9:47 pm # 160-9022
poll response:
bullshit or brilliant? Useful, but maybe a few problems
relevant? Yes
insightful? Yes
Karl Munist technocracy?
Ben, I haven't read your entire page on resolving the crisis of theory, but one potential problem grabbed my attention. You state: "In any country with a modern economy and communications infrastructure (ie: where the majority of the population has internet connectivity) the systematic struggle for ideas on a mass scale will make it impossible for any exploiting class to suppress information about any political trend. This is something new in the world, a change of enormous significance." You wrote a little earlier about how the bourgeois will face measures to ensure that they don't regain power but will never have their voices stifled. Presumably through persuasion, the proletariat would be able to use the internet and other media to persuade the masses that a return to bourgeois rule will not be desirable. While I think most of your ideas are very sound, I think your theory on information war carries a very big caveat. Consider this sentence: "In any country with a modern economy and communications infrastructure (ie: where the majority of the population has internet connectivity)" If we are to carry the "mass line," then technological access and literacy will have to be a major issue. At times, the comforts of our own culture fail to recognize potential roadblocks that others may face along the way, as you allude to in your opening. The majority of the world's people don't use silverware, and they probably don't use a mouse or keyboard, either. People without access to the internet might only receive the distorted news that the bourgeois feed them, risking the mass support for the revolution and potentially growing a reactionary trend. Even some of the bourgeois currently in control acknowledge the existence of a "digital divide" within the Unit ... read more
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comment on essay 160 Saturday • 5-Nov-2005 • 7:16 am # 160-9021
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bullshit or brilliant? Total bullshit

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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 14-Apr-2005 • 6:55 pm # 160-9020
poll response:
bullshit or brilliant? Useful, but maybe a few problems
relevant? Yes
insightful? No
Angelo Marxist Stepping stones
I am certainly no leninist, while I do appreciate him for his strength, wit, and ideals I am afraid his theory on how to generate a worker's revolutionary state proved terribly, terribly incorrect. Most of what you say is, in fact, very correct. You do need to elaborate a bit more on the future state, you do little better than anarchists actually. I do find it odd that you did not seem to mention CPUSA, probably the greatest example of ridiculous and shallow communism that I have yet to see. I find it distressing that all the communist organizations and even all liberal ones are caught up in the same bush-bashing, WTO fixation while completely ignoring any local relevancy what so ever. They seem to only take the biggest and most mainstream national issues and ramble on about them for months on end without actually, as you have said, posing any solutions or even paying attention to the plight of the every day worker and poverty stricken individual. I would like to make a suggestion myself, a way in which you do not have to slowly "Eat away", and most likely become stalled eventually,at the capitalist economy. Why not simply put into full and total practice a method of production that is currently being used? Why not transform, a fairly simple process actually, all current corporation slowly or, if need be, quickly into "cooperatives"? This does go along with something you hinted at, but did not really specify. These worker controlled companies would operate basically like a capitalist organization only devoid of exploitation. The banks would be state controlled and charge no interest and all apartment complexes and neighborhoods would also become cooperatives or citizen/city run establishments. This is still far from a money-less state, but wit ... read more
question: Cite an actual process that you can explain..i.e."We will do this and this in this way in order to acheive this result"
likes: Well stated arguement against the current weak left...dear lord, did you see them at the republican national convention!??! THEY TOOK COUPONS FOR GOD'S SAKES!!!!
don't like: Didn't define solid processes, actions, methods..etc..for how the economy would work and how the government would function.
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comment on essay 160 Friday • 30-Jul-2004 • 10:04 am # 160-9019
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bullshit or brilliant? Some real serious problems
relevant? Yes
insightful? Yes
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comment on essay 160 Saturday • 1-Nov-2003 • 6:04 am # 160-9018
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bullshit or brilliant? other

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comment on essay 160 Monday • 6-Oct-2003 • 8:19 pm # 160-9017
poll response:
bullshit or brilliant? Some real serious problems
relevant? Yes
insightful? Yes
Henry Leaves holes for totalitarianism
Perhaps I am a pessemist for this, but I would like to point out a basic logic that is lacking: how is it possible to achieve the utopia of a Worker's State while humans demonstrate again and again that being "Bourgeoisie" is human nature? My response is: it's impossible. I do not believe it is within human nature to have such a utopian society based on the simple fact that greed and materialism are central to Everyone in some degree. Therefore, I argue that the Freedom to Pursue your own rights through a "Bourgeoisie" capitalist system will always be the lesser evil based on the perhaps pessimistical premise that humans are Not fundamentally "good at heart". At least a democratic system run with monetary exchanges allows for more freedom than any "Worker State" demonstrated to date, and I believe that will continue to the end of time.
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comment on essay 160 Tuesday • 29-Apr-2003 • 8:16 am # 160-9016
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bullshit or brilliant? Really cool !!
relevant? Yes
insightful? Yes

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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 3-Apr-2003 • 10:56 pm # 160-9015
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 30-Jan-2003 • 12:02 pm # 160-9014
8thfloor The Information War: The other front
I believe this debate is spot on the mark and cuts right through to the ongoing problem with modern revolutionary movements.

I just want to offer a specific, narrow and tangential contribution to the debate.

It concerns bseattle's apparent conclusion that "the information war is inevitably winnable" based on these steps of logic:

1. that the internet as we know it and desire it is here to stay
2. that the internet we know or desire will facilitate the information war
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n. that the information war will be won.

I will act as the devils advocate and argue that the conclusion of point 1 is premature.

Progressive interests have made good use of the internet as a way of organising information and building support from places that otherwise would be out of reach.

The structure and properties of the internet are as yet, not well understood. Its resilience until now depends much on that fact. It just so happens that the internet has a number of properties that revolutionary organisations find convenient. This means the internet provides a temporary goldmine for revolutionary activity, at least for the near future.

I fear, however, the bourgeoisie still have ample time to experiment with ways with which to control the internet. If you have no form, you cannot be attacked, but the internet is far from having no form. It has a physical form, it has a virtual form.

The physical form is about infrastructure: machines (servers and routers), connections and protocols (the way machines communicate), user agents (the applications used by users such as browsers) - all the things that make it work that we don't really see, or take for granted. ... read more

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comment on essay 160 Saturday • 18-Jan-2003 • 6:14 pm # 160-9006
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bullshit or brilliant? Useful, but maybe a few problems
relevant? Yes
insightful? Yes
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comment on essay 160 Saturday • 28-Dec-2002 • 4:00 am # 160-9005
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bullshit or brilliant? Total bullshit
relevant? No
insightful? not sure
Nestor Makhno comments: Stupid, not based on empiric evidence, not gets to heart - in a word, Leninist
question: how many people do you think will become Leninst after such ---bleep---? You're actually making a favor to anarchism.
likes: Nothing. He's right when he says that every Leninst group is social-democratic and counter-revolutionary.
don't like: Everything

reply • Saturday • 28-Dec-2002 • 10:13 am
  by benHi Nestor, Thanks for your comments.

In your post to the question forum (# 103-3009 on Dec 25) you explain what you mean by the heart: "will Leninism really lead to a classless society?". In my reply I asked that you look at my essay # 153: politics, economics and the mass media when the working class runs the show.

However instead of commenting on essay # 153 you appear to be complaining that essay # 160 does not deal with this topic. But essay # 160 deals with a different topic--the concern of activists like yourself that a future workers' state will be a repressive police state.

Also, a note for other readers: In the Questions forum, I suggested to Nestor that we communicate using words that have more-or-less agreed-upon meanings. Words like "Marxism", "Leninism" and "communism" mean hundreds of different things to different people. In fact many activists attach what are essentially religious (either satanic or angelic) meanings to these words. If we don't stick to words with agreed-upon meanings--we waste everyone's time in stupid arguments about the meaning of this or that word. However, Nestor appears to want to spend his time arguing about the meaning of "Leninism". But I am not going to argue back. My time (and the time of other readers to this forum) is too valuable.

Finally, a quick correction: Despite what Nestor claims, I have never said that every "Leninist" group is "social-democratic and counter-revolutionary". Rather, I have said that most were social-democratic and that, to my knowledge, most of the rest were infected with a kind of sectarian religion that I call "cargo cult Leninism". Being infected with a sectarian disease does not necessarily make one a "counter-revolutionary". But carelessly throwing around words like "counter-revolutionary" can make one a sectarian.

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comment on essay 160 Wednesday • 18-Dec-2002 • 7:22 pm # 160-9004
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bullshit or brilliant? Total bullshit
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insightful? No
Morpheus don't like: This is based on a straw man and misses the point of the anti-authoritarian critique of Marxism
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comment on essay 160 Saturday • 14-Dec-2002 • 1:56 pm # 160-9003
poll response:
bullshit or brilliant? Some real serious problems
relevant? Yes
insightful? not sure
Yhcrana comments: Hi, Ben: Yhcrana here again. I have several thoughts on this essay that I wish to share but, again must submit them in the form of a formal essay. I have spent the last two days writing a response and will be emailing it to you shortly. Cheers!
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 12-Dec-2002 • 11:51 pm # 160-9002
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relevant? Yes
insightful? Yes
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comment on essay 160 Thursday • 12-Dec-2002 • 1:44 am # 160-9001
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relevant? Yes
insightful? Yes
Ben comments: This is a test to verify that forum # 160 works correctly. And this essay, by the way, is damn good--even for me ...
likes: everything
don't like: a more comprehensive picture of social-democracy would have been nice--but was beyond my time and ability

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