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comment on Part 5 • Wednesday • 20-Jan-2016 • 6:24 pm • # 115-7533
• na6LzHPK • 28eDUVArzD
• The abliity to think like that shows you're an expert
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • Yes--Ben has represented Daniel's views fairly
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • not sure
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • not sure
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • not sure
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comment on Part 5 • Wednesday • 21-Oct-2015 • 2:35 am • # 115-7532
• 3SCAqU7NsUPW • admRC7lWS
• Just type in Blood Diamonds on google. For a topic you could do Sierra Leone if you haven't aeldary. The first couple of Websites should be helpful.
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • not sure
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • Yes--Ben answered all of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • other
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • other
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comment on Part 5 • Wednesday • 21-Oct-2015 • 1:45 am • # 115-7531
• KAt6QqCQd • mEQTKqEQFr
• Coping with the latest state lergalstuie covered with Democrats, Mitt throw much more 900 vetoes just like Romney contributed to bringing small values with state government.
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • No--Ben has distorted Daniel's views
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • other
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • not sure
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comment on Part 5 • Wednesday • 21-Oct-2015 • 12:07 am • # 115-7530
• KKVkvn2wF8pN • MtOKXAaT6k
• reminded me so much of her big brother and her smile is just like her big sisetr. She is pure sweetness and the perfect completion to her
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • No--Ben has distorted Daniel's views
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • No--Ben evaded some of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • other
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • not sure
good comments

comment on Part 5 • Tuesday • 17-Mar-2015 • 12:10 am • # 115-7529
• Brittany • http://pixz.nu/1LPS
• I came to your ALDS--Part 5 page and noticed you could have a lot more visitors. I have found that the key to running a website is making sure the visitors you are getting are interested in your niche. There is a company that you can get visitors from and they let you try their service for free. I managed to get over 300 targeted visitors to day to my website. Visit them here: http://pixz.nu/1LPS
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comment on Part 5 • Saturday • 28-Feb-2015 • 9:27 pm • # 115-7528
• Adrienne • http://dl4.pl/gg7g
• Hi, my name is Adrienne and I am the marketing manager at StarSEO Marketing. I was just looking at your ALDS--Part 5 site and see that your site has the potential to become very popular. I just want to tell you, In case you didn't already know... There is a website service which already has more than 16 million users, and most of the users are interested in topics like yours. By getting your website on this service you have a chance to get your site more visitors than you can imagine. It is free to sign up and you can read more about it here: http://dl4.pl/gg7g - Now, let me ask you... Do you need your site to be successful to maintain your way of life? Do you need targeted traffic who are interested in the services and products you offer? Are looking for exposure, to increase sales, and to quickly develop awareness for your site? If your answer is YES, you can achieve these things only if you get your website on the network I am talking about. This traffic network advertises you to thousands, while also giving you a chance to test the network before paying anything at all. All the popular blogs are using this service to boost their traffic and ad revenue! Why aren’t you? And what is better than traffic? It’s recurring traffic! That's how running a successful website works... Here's to your success! Read more here: http://1h.ae/qjr
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comment on Part 5 • Friday • 27-Feb-2015 • 6:03 pm • # 115-7527
• Brittany • http://kbbl.ir/4y
• You need targeted traffic to your ALDS--Part 5 website so why not try some for free? There is a VERY POWERFUL and POPULAR company out there who now lets you try their website traffic service for 7 days free of charge. I am so glad they opened their traffic system back up to the public! Sign up before it is too late: http://marshmallow-digital.com/cz/bfsu
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comment on Part 5 • Wednesday • 25-Feb-2015 • 11:42 am • # 115-7526
• Adrienne • http://1h.ae/qjr
• Hi, my name is Adrienne and I am the sales manager at StarSEO Marketing. I was just looking at your ALDS--Part 5 site and see that your website has the potential to get a lot of visitors. I just want to tell you, In case you don't already know... There is a website service which already has more than 16 million users, and the majority of the users are looking for niches like yours. By getting your site on this network you have a chance to get your site more visitors than you can imagine. It is free to sign up and you can find out more about it here: http://pixz.nu/209D - Now, let me ask you... Do you need your website to be successful to maintain your business? Do you need targeted visitors who are interested in the services and products you offer? Are looking for exposure, to increase sales, and to quickly develop awareness for your site? If your answer is YES, you can achieve these things only if you get your website on the network I am talking about. This traffic network advertises you to thousands, while also giving you a chance to test the network before paying anything at all. All the popular sites are using this network to boost their traffic and ad revenue! Why aren’t you? And what is better than traffic? It’s recurring traffic! That's how running a successful site works... Here's to your success! Find out more here: http://1h.ae/qjr
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comment on Part 5 • Tuesday • 24-Feb-2015 • 2:10 am • # 115-7525
• Adrienne • http://corta.co/5xvR
• Hi, my name is Adrienne and I am the sales manager at StarSEO Marketing. I was just looking at your ALDS--Part 5 website and see that your site has the potential to become very popular. I just want to tell you, In case you don't already know... There is a website network which already has more than 16 million users, and most of the users are looking for topics like yours. By getting your website on this network you have a chance to get your site more popular than you can imagine. It is free to sign up and you can find out more about it here: http://1h.ae/qjr - Now, let me ask you... Do you need your site to be successful to maintain your business? Do you need targeted traffic who are interested in the services and products you offer? Are looking for exposure, to increase sales, and to quickly develop awareness for your website? If your answer is YES, you can achieve these things only if you get your website on the network I am describing. This traffic network advertises you to thousands, while also giving you a chance to test the service before paying anything. All the popular blogs are using this service to boost their readership and ad revenue! Why aren’t you? And what is better than traffic? It’s recurring traffic! That's how running a successful website works... Here's to your success! Find out more here: http://1h.ae/qjr
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comment on Part 5 • Thursday • 19-Feb-2015 • 6:12 pm • # 115-7524
• Nikki • http://1to.to/s5t
• Hi, my name is Nikki and I am the marketing manager at StarSEO Marketing. I was just looking at your ALDS--Part 5 site and see that your site has the potential to get a lot of visitors. I just want to tell you, In case you don't already know... There is a website service which already has more than 16 million users, and most of the users are interested in niches like yours. By getting your website on this network you have a chance to get your site more visitors than you can imagine. It is free to sign up and you can read more about it here: http://kbbl.ir/4z - Now, let me ask you... Do you need your site to be successful to maintain your way of life? Do you need targeted traffic who are interested in the services and products you offer? Are looking for exposure, to increase sales, and to quickly develop awareness for your site? If your answer is YES, you can achieve these things only if you get your site on the service I am describing. This traffic service advertises you to thousands, while also giving you a chance to test the service before paying anything. All the popular websites are using this network to boost their traffic and ad revenue! Why aren’t you? And what is better than traffic? It’s recurring traffic! That's how running a successful website works... Here's to your success! Find out more here: http://pixz.nu/1LQf
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comment on Part 5 • Friday • 6-Feb-2015 • 9:30 am • # 115-7523
• Nikki • http://kbbl.ir/4z
• Hi, my name is Nikki and I am the sales manager at StarSEO Marketing. I was just looking at your site and see that your website has the potential to get a lot of visitors. I just want to tell you, In case you don't already know... There is a website service which already has more than 16 million users, and most of the users are interested in topics like yours. By getting your website on this service you have a chance to get your site more popular than you can imagine. It is free to sign up and you can read more about it here: http://cabkit.in/7mfv - Now, let me ask you... Do you need your website to be successful to maintain your way of life? Do you need targeted traffic who are interested in the services and products you offer? Are looking for exposure, to increase sales, and to quickly develop awareness for your website? If your answer is YES, you can achieve these things only if you get your website on the service I am talking about. This traffic service advertises you to thousands, while also giving you a chance to test the network before paying anything. All the popular blogs are using this service to boost their readership and ad revenue! Why aren’t you? And what is better than traffic? It’s recurring traffic! That's how running a successful website works... Here's to your success! Find out more here: http://kbbl.ir/4z
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comment on Part 5 • Wednesday • 15-Oct-2014 • 6:40 pm • # 115-7522
• XUyoRKIx7Ck • 8ViuWkmhoGh9
• In fact there is a word similar like that in Hindi for a Crow. You might have heard the fmoaus song Maye Ni Maye Munder Pe Teri Bol Raha Hai Kaaga which if translated means Mother, mother, on your parapet a crow is cawing So Kaaga in Hindi (Brij Language would mean a Crow), but in this case it is Kaaka.
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • other
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • other
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • other
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • Yes--interesting and insightful
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comment on Part 5 • Tuesday • 11-Sep-2012 • 10:16 pm • # 115-7521
• nxFflTWIU • YvwKqnwmAKqLRXwsx
• malee_msg,Google Group ΰΆ‘ΰΆš ࢜ ΰΆΊ thread ΰΆ‘ΰΆš ΰΆ­ ΰ·„ ΰΆ§ ΰΆΊ ࢚ࢧ ΰΆ± ΰΆΆΰΆ­ΰΆ½ ࢚ ΰ·… ΰ·„ ΰΆ§ΰ·€ΰΆ΄ ࢜ ΰΆ© .....࢚ . ΰΆ½ΰΆΆΰΆ± ΰΆ΄ ΰΆ» ΰ·€ΰΆ­ ΰΆ‘ΰΆ± ΰΆ±. :-)_at_࢚ ΰ·‚ ΰΆ± ,ΰΆ”ΰ·€ ΰΆ”ΰ·€ , ࢚ࢭࢱ ΰΆ―ΰΆ» ࢚ ΰΆ»ΰΆΊΰΆΊ ΰΆ…ΰΆš ࢚ࢫ ΰΆ© ΰΆΊ ΰΆ― ࢚࢜ࢱ ΰΆ± ΰΆ½ ΰΆΆ ΰΆ« ΰΆ‘ΰΆš ΰΆ½ ࢚ ΰΆ― ࢺ࢚ . ΰΆšΰ·€ ΰΆ» ΰΆ­ ΰΆ†ΰ·ƒ ΰ·€ ΰΆ± ࢚ ΰΆΊΰ·€ΰΆ± ΰΆ»ΰ·ƒ ΰ·€ ΰ·„ ΰΆ± ΰΆΆ ΰΆ½ ࢜ ΰΆ± ΰ·€ .࢚ ΰΆ« ΰΆ© ΰ·€ΰ·€ΰΆ± ΰΆ‘ΰΆšΰΆ§ ΰ·† ΰΆΊ ΰΆ± ΰ·ƒ ΰΆ½ ࢩ࢚ ΰΆ― ΰΆΈ ΰΆΈ ΰΆ± ΰΆ― ΰΆ―? :P_at_ΰΆ©ΰΆ± ΰ·‚ ࢚,ΰ·„ ΰΆ± ΰ·€ ࢚ ΰ·ƒ ΰ·€ ΰΆ­ΰΆ­ ΰΆ…ΰΆ±ΰΆ΄ ࢚ ΰ·‚ ΰΆ­ ΰ·€ ΰΆ½ ΰ·€ ࢜ࢭ ΰΆ­ ΰ·‚ ΰΆ§ ΰΆ‘ΰΆš ΰΆΈΰΆ» . ΰΆ§ ࢚ ΰΆΊ ࢚ ΰ·€ ΰ·€ ΰΆ• !
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • No--Ben has distorted Daniel's views
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • not sure
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • not sure
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • Yes--interesting and insightful
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comment on Part 5 • Friday • 25-Jul-2008 • 11:26 am • # 115-7520
• jmutxplzf isoudmle • jmutxplzf isoudmle
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comment on Part 5 • Friday • 25-Jul-2008 • 11:25 am • # 115-7519
• jmutxplzf isoudmle • jmutxplzf isoudmle
• makxd sihuz qhmckywxd sgnjqzf lmqg ftckwvso nzkuacfp
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comment on Part 5 • Thursday • 17-Apr-2008 • 2:41 am • # 115-7518
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poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • Yes--Ben has represented Daniel's views fairly
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • Yes--Ben answered all of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • No--heard it all before
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comment on Part 5 • Thursday • 17-Apr-2008 • 2:36 am • # 115-7517
• [] • []
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poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • Yes--Ben has represented Daniel's views fairly
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • Yes--Ben answered all of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • No--heard it all before
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comment on Part 5 • Friday • 23-Nov-2007 • 8:12 pm • # 115-7516
• zikphowyx wray • zikphowyx wray
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comment on Part 5 • Sunday • 17-Dec-2006 • 3:15 am • # 115-7515
• None • avg anti virus
• hello, merry christmas to all
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • Yes--Ben has represented Daniel's views fairly
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • Yes--Ben answered all of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • No--heard it all before
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comment on Part 5 • Sunday • 17-Dec-2006 • 1:52 am • # 115-7514
• None • watertown savings bank
• hello, merry christmas to all
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • Yes--Ben has represented Daniel's views fairly
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • Yes--Ben answered all of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • No--heard it all before
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comment on Part 5 • Sunday • 17-Dec-2006 • 1:49 am • # 115-7513
• None • debtconsolidation
• hello, merry christmas to all
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • Yes--Ben has represented Daniel's views fairly
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • Yes--Ben answered all of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • No--heard it all before
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comment on Part 5 • Tuesday • 5-Dec-2006 • 6:20 am • # 115-7512
• Radagast2072 • Te Threat of Bourgeois Counter-Revolution
• No alternative to bourgeois rule deserves to be taken seriously if it cannot explain how the working class will stop bourgeois attempts of re-installing thenselves back to power by force of arms. Allede in Chile (1973) did not give a good enough answer to this question and ended up dead along with tens of thousands of workers. What, in your view, would be the way you will suggest for the worker's state to defend itself against coup attempts and far-right insurrections?
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comment on Part 5 • Tuesday • 5-Dec-2006 • 3:55 am • # 115-7511
• Radagast2072 • Independent Consumer Bodies as a Check on Central Planning
• In order to ensure the quality of products made by these industries which, under a worker's state, will be subjected to central planning, it would be nescery to establish independent and democratically-elected consumer bodies. Such bodies, given enough legal powers to enforce their criticism on state-run firms, would ensure that the quality of these firms' products would be sufficient. Without such checks on the system, central planning might fall into problems of quality control, which were very common in ultra-centralized planning modes (i.e. Stalinism in the USSR and similar Stalinist states).
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • Yes--Ben has represented Daniel's views fairly
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • Yes--Ben answered all of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • Yes--interesting and insightful
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comment on Part 5 • Monday • 4-Dec-2006 • 8:13 am • # 115-7510
• Radagast2072 • This is one of the best and sharpest polemics I've ever read about the Marxist view of the state!
• While a large part of the theoretical material presented in this article already exists in Marxist theory, your formulation of these ideas into a sharp, easy to read and no-nonsense article is priceless. Unlike too many self-titled "Marxists" I know, you think for yourself, you draw your own conclusions, and you don't cling to "mommy's-apron" of "Marxist-sounding" phrasemongering. What you're doing is genuine Marxism - thought (using Marxist methods of analysis) and not dogma. Thumbs up! While I might not agree with some of your specific points, I admire your clarity and courage.
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • Yes--Ben has represented Daniel's views fairly
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • Yes--Ben answered all of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • Yes--interesting and insightful
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comment on Part 5 • Sunday • 8-May-2005 • 11:38 pm • # 115-7509
• Gary • free labor?
• I know that some people today work for free, volunteer. I know that some today do work they LOVE -- musicians, artists, some business owners, computer gurus, other "arts" -- and would work for free. However the idea that people en masse will voluntarily help do ALL the work that is needed simply because they love it, is somewhat hazy to me, knowing how people "are" or the way they tend to "be". (descriptive of "ways of being" rather than "states of nature"). Now I'm in AA so I KNOW that volunteerism can be a gift unto itself, and to varying degrees people respond. Even in AA, talking about "helping, volunteering" is more widespread than actually doing it. Offering phone numbers and rides to newbies is more widespread than actually giving rides. The 20-80 rule applies. But since the whole thing is volunteerism period, and it's still running, volunteerism CAN work. I might guess that since corporate propaganda has been successful in convincing people that HYSTERICAL CONSUMERISM is not only the highest personal good but the highest societal good, and INSANE WORKAHOLISM can produce satisfaction, then surely some reverse "true" propaganda -- that working voluntarily for the highest collective good (and perhaps honors) is the COOLEST thing one can do --- then that might lead to a situation where people actually show up for work and do what needs to be done --- even the gross and boring stuff. Parenti likened latter-day USSR to what I would describe as not "a giant corporation" but rather "a giant union shop" lacking discipline, rife in corruption, where most people worked the least possible, and bribed and scammed their way out of more. Hence, shortages. I'm as pro-Marxist as Parenti and Ben. I agree with the question: HOW?
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • not sure
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • not sure
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • Yes--interesting and insightful
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comment on Part 5 • Tuesday • 17-Jun-2003 • 7:23 pm • # 115-7508
• Joe R. Golowka •
• It is not true that the overwhelming majority of all anarchists are infected with the "Scarlet O'Hara syndrome." Anarchists have written many books over the past 150 years describing how an anarchist society could look like. "Conquest of Bread" by Peter Kropotkin is one of my favorites. For a description of what an anarchist society would look like I refer Ben to Section I of "an anarchist FAQ" at http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secIcon.html If you were to ask your questions about what an anarchist society would look like on the anarchist message boards at http://flag.blackened.net the "Scarlet O'Hara Syndrome" would not be the overwhelming response.

With regard to the economy, each workplace is run by it's own worker assembly which meets regularly and makes all major decisions about the workplace. Everyone has an equal say in those decisions, which are made using either consensus or direct democracy (or some mixture of the two). Assemblies divvy up the tasks and plan what they are going to do. Historically they have also elected a factory committee that takes care of administration and coordination. The factory committees simply implement policy decided by the assembly where decision-making power stayed.

Coordination of the economy can be done through a system of horizontal networks or worker councils. The tradition way of doing this is for each assembly to assign a contact person(s) (sometimes called a spoke or delegate) to meet with other contact people from other assemblies which they want to coordinate things with. Position of contact person should rotate frequently. Each contact person is mandated, meaning that they are instructed by the assembly that they come from on how to deal with any issue. The contact people would be given binding instruc ... read more

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comment on Part 5 • Tuesday • 28-Jan-2003 • 9:24 am • # 115-7507
• Scott • What "Crisis of Theory" ?
• Ben, you have said the following in part five of the Anarchist Leninist debate:
"What I assert is that even in the most general terms, the progressive movement has not come up with any alternative at all that is suitable in any way, shape or form for anyone who has not received a lobotomy."

"This is why all activists who are serious about a fundamental change to the status quo--need to also be serious about overcoming the crisis of theory."

"Eventually the progressive movement will mobilize the majority of humanity for the purpose of overthrowing the rule of the rich. This mobilization will only take place once the progressive movement works out at least an outline of the principles that will guide an alternative to bourgeois rule that is suitable for people who are adults and who have not had a lobotomy--an alternative that actually makes sense--that does not insult the intelligence of activists and workers alike."

What you are saying is not true. DeLeonist have put forth a practical program for socialism. True, it has been largely ignored for the past 90 years, but we have put it forth and continue to do so. This program, called Socialist Industrial Unionism, is a method for putting the means of production under democratic control. This is the germ of the idea in DeLeon΄s words:
"Industrial Unionism is the socialist republic in the making; and, the goal once reached, the Industrial Union is the socialist republic in operation. Accordingly, the Industrial Union is at once the battering ram with which to pound down the fortress of capitalism, and the successor of the capitalist social structure itself."
source: INDUSTRIAL UNIONISM (The Daily People Jan. 20, 1913)
Our proposal is to create ... read more
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comment on Part 5 • Thursday • 16-Jan-2003 • 12:59 pm • # 115-7506
• revolutionary • What nonsense
• Ben doesn't know what he is talking about.
poll response:
••• polemical decency • Has Ben exercized great care to fairly characterize Daniel's positions and arguments? • No--Ben has distorted Daniel's views
••• non-evasive • Has Ben answered all questions that Daniel has asked? • No--Ben evaded some of Daniel's questions
••• relevant • Are the points that Ben raises relevant to the debate question? • Yes--Ben's points are relevant to the debate question
••• insightful • Has Ben raised new, interesting, thoughtful or insightful points? • No--heard it all before

reply • Friday • 17-Jan-2003 • 6:47 pm
  by benHi there comrade revolutionary. First, thanks for your comments and ratings. I believe that comments (even short comments such as yours) and ratings help to demonstrate that this site is alive. I hope that many other comments follow. I also hope that activists such as yourself will find the time to present a more concrete and detailed explanation of what they consider the weak points of my arguments. I believe that my arguments are strong and are based on a solid foundation. But weaknesses may exist all the same and I hope that critics and political opponents, by criticising the weak points--can help me to make my arguments stronger. And yes, those of you who like my arguments (or parts of my essays) please contribute your thoughts also. Calm discussion and debate will help the revolutionary movement once again become powerful and deserving of the trust and attention of the working class and oppressed. So bring it on!
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comment on Part 5 • Saturday • 11-Jan-2003 • 6:42 pm • # 115-7505
• Yhcrana •
• Hi, Ben: I have had a look at your recent reply to Daniel (though I still have to review it a little more) and have several thoughts on some of the points you have raised, particularly about the need for a clear out viable alternative to bourgeois rule. However, most of my thoughts are based upon the points which I made in Essay #161. Though it will certainly be necessary for me to expand on those points in order to answer the questions which you pose in your response to Daniel, I believe it would prove useful for me to wait for you to respond to my last essay before doing so. The reason I say this is that your response to my essay will provide a necessary segway into my thoughts on Part 5. I realize that you are somewhat strapped for time so, by all means, take as much as you need. However, I feel that a response to my last essay will make my comments on Part 5 seem much less out of context. Sincerely, Yhcrana
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comment on Part 5 • Saturday • 4-Jan-2003 • 10:05 am • # 115-7504
• Ben • Cool! This debate installment rocks! Let's look at our future tasks in a realistic way
• This is a test to verify that forum #115 works the way it should.
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