Thursday • 14-Jun-2007 • 10:40 am • # 12650 • 19-12S-OW [com] Socialism is an economic system based on strong national strength, and communism(economically) is completely controlled by the party, or as you may call it, the "working class". They're a quite a bit defferent. And if you do not have a police force,how do you ensure crime stays minimal. Don't say it's because capitalist greed is destroyed that crime will fall- that's not what all crimes about. A substantial amount is from, wait for it......... Get this, cultural activity! Is it not true that capitilist ideas have made us a richer nation? As a Communist would say, slavery gave way to feudalism and thus to capitalism. But did we not have slavery and capitalism simultaneously! And the 3 all had similar parts too eachother(more or less), and communism has no evolutionary form or similarity to capitalism, although it might to slavery. Considering we lose rights to ownership,barter, and corportism, i'd say we are a little less free, which is what I thought communists wanted! Did the Russians not revolt to cow away from the thought of a ruthless monarchy, did the German social democrats not shout and scream in the name of Freiheit! They were deluded enough to believe such a system could offer! They lose they're rights to property/oppurtunity because of it, because you believe democracy makes up for it, which it sadly does not. It's not even a balanced democracy, which we had proudly achieved! If those communist nations called themselves communists, they obviosly knew what they were-and you, 1 person, argue agaisnt nations in your defintion! The anarcho-Lenin way is of blimd arrogance, and it's broken criminal system is no further solution. Do you know what makes crime? UNRESTRICTED FREEDOM of the peoples with no discipline,loyalty, or organized manner. Which is probably why your discussion is informal. I understand you feel strongly for your cause, even if it is broken. Poeple will not always have the jobs they want, w/ the dedicated co workers, and can improve the world, that's a dream, a fantasy. There will always be somebody in the crapper, and for some of us, all it takes is a push down the drain to ruin us. Others are lucky. But that's your purpose, isn't it, to somehow persuade me and others that equality can be achieved, and iv'e retaliated-it's just a sweet quixotic dream dreamt by the chaotic good natured souls of the world. But the world isn't always good, and it has no space for chaos. The working class isn't oppressed, it's paid what it accepts, and it takes so much as 5.50 an hour(probably more,or less ofcourse), than so be it, it's what's accepted. Let's say 5 people stand before myself,and yours, and most are middle aged workers of a slightly lower-middle class bending toward the middle, and I asked if they are making a living, you will more than likely say no, they are not equal to the complete middle class, but I am to understand that they are indeed alive. Why are they there? Because they dropped out of high school, didn't want to join the military(too strict for them), or whatever the case, it was they're decision to drop-out or not join, they failed. Now let's say they couldn't afford to go to college, because of bad family, they still could have joined the military, and if not, that's simply they're place in society. They, and you, will have to accept that. As far as i'm concerned, you obviously have a computer, so your not that horribly bad, but the country that supports you and takes care of you gives you oppurtunity, and you spit in it's face!!! Your words of revolution, and your anti-american imperialism! Be honest, did those protests in Faluja involve unruly mobs. Both my uncles have been there(Iraq), and the one thing they told me to watch out for is he media's outlook on everything, and especially the topic of Iraq. Every army soldier iv'e talked to supports it, and I trust them over a rebel red such as yourself(much offense). Years of blood, sweat, and tears went to outminding and resourcing communist scum, and here you are, rambling on about how it's O-So-Great. That's right, my communism is the 1 that has existed in history, yours is just made-up delusions of world peace and equality. Grow up man.